The Truth: How I Feel About Believers

believers As Godless Mom, I get approached a few times a day by a theist with their back up. Perhaps it’s the word godless, or maybe it’s the memes I post that are critical of the beliefs they hold dear. Whatever the case, they often come at me guns blazing and I have to try and diffuse the situation in some way or another. Most of the time, I end up muting or blocking because they don’t want to hear me.

That’s not to say there aren’t plenty of believers out there who will hear my reasoning. There are, and they are awesome. But most of the time, it’s a fight to see who hits block first.

I thought I’d clear some things up about me and the way I view theists and believers of all sorts, so maybe we can avoid this situation in the future.

I don’t think religious belief makes you stupid. I also don’t think it makes you a fool, nor do I see you as someone who has been fooled. I see you as a normal person with the same cognitive functions as myself, but who was given different information about the world around us as you grew. I see you as someone who likely has doubts you are afraid of and for good reason. Perhaps you want the worldview you were taught to be true. Maybe it gives you a feeling of security. Maybe you’re afraid of the unknown. I see you as someone who could possibly be an atheist one day, and it’s not going to be because you suddenly jumped a few IQ points. It’ll be because you were brave enough to confront your doubts.

I would never attack you based solely on the fact that you’re religious. I would and do, however, find it difficult not to tear a strip off of people who use their religious beliefs as an excuse to say and do awful things. This is why Frank Turek will always be Joseph Goebbels to me.

I enjoy your civil conversation. While I don’t always have enough time to discuss things at length on Twitter or Facebook, I do try and I never shy away from answering an email. I don’t care if you’re a believer or an atheist, I think we can have a great conversation so long as we respect each other.

I do take issue with the things you might believe. This doesn’t mean I take issue with you. If your son or daughter was sucked into a cult, would you have an issue with him or her, or with the things he or she has been led to believe? If you can imagine that situation and the fact that you would still care deeply for your child, no matter what they believed, then you can imagine how I feel about your belief.

I’m not interested in arguing about your beliefs. Having never been a believer, I can’t pretend to know what I am talking about and quite frankly, religious doctrine doesn’t interest me in the least. What does interest me is how it affects people. I will argue why I don’t believe, and I will argue in favour of the rights of my fellow human beings, but as far as your holy book goes, I am simply not interested. Unless and until there is demonstrable evidence for its truth, it’s like debating whether or not Holden Caulfield is gay in the Catcher in the Rye: a futile exercise that runs out of fuel really fast. I read your Holy books. I found them distasteful. I do not want to argue about it.

If you come at me swinging nonsense, I will defend myself and my fellow atheists. I’ll knock your strawmen down faster than you can say John 3:16. That’s what happened to Albert. It’s what happened to Pastor Jack, and it’s even what happened to my fellow atheist, Jaya.

I reserve the right to make fun of silly things. If you believe in things I feel are silly, those beliefs may be made fun of. I don’t do it to offend you. I do it because it’s how I most love to write. Think of it like comedians holding a roast, only in my case, I’m not roasting a person, I’m just roasting some ideas that you may or may not hold dear. If you are offended by a total stranger on the internet having a go at the things you believe, perhaps you should consider how strong your beliefs are. Seems a smidge fragile to be threatened by the likes of me. I mean, I am flattered you think I have that sort of power and all, but really, the strength of your beliefs and whether or not they can stand up to a few jokes on the intertubes, is all you.

I don’t want to upset anyone; I only want to make people think. Sometimes, I like to do it through jokes. Sometimes, I do it through reasoned arguments. Sometimes, I don’t do it at all in spite of my trying really hard. I know that the things that I say are going to affect people negatively but that won’t stop me. I feel what I have to say is important and a few hurt feelings along the way are perfectly acceptable collateral damage. My suggestion: don’t take it personally. Try to see the reason, and hear what I am actually saying. Put down your protest signs, and slip out of your persecuted pants. Let the wall down and really hear me. You might be surprised.

We could absolutely be friends… as long as you don’t mind a little blasphemy from time to time.

Okay… maybe a lot.

The truth is, some of the best conversations I’ve had as Godless Mom have been with believers. I see you as just the same as me. We are equal and you have every right to believe whatever the fuck you want. I don’t think you’re stupid, or foolish or goofy for having religious belief, and I welcome your comments and discussion anywhere online you find me.

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  • This is pretty much me in a nutshell. I don’t think believing in a god automatically makes you an ignorant bonehead. However, when your beliefs marginalize and/or hurt others, that’s when I’m Mx. Angry Atheist!

    • Indeed, I find it pretty easy to get along with religious people so long as they don’t mind that I am not.

      • In fact, most of my dearest Christian friends want to smash the white supremacist cisheteronormative patriarchy as much as I do! (Of course most of my Christian friends are queer and/or of color, so that probably has a lot to do with it.)

    • knarfisfraud

      As a moral relativist what difference would it make if somebody hurts others? What objective standard are you using to condemn the actions of others? When Stalin killed 60 million people, why was that objectively “wrong”? Or is it just your opinion that that’s wrong?

      • Sorry, troll. You’re gonna have to go hungry ’cause I ain’t feedin’ ya!

        • knarfisfraud

          Well, you don’t have to answer me if you don’t want to but you should think about it. Atheism is illogical for many reasons, and the problem of good and evil is one of them.

  • Excellent post! That first one about about religious belief not making someone stupid, foolish, etc. is an unfortunately difficult sell to many atheists, but it is an important one. Same for the crucial difference between what one believes and who one is as a person.

    • Precisely. Some of my favourite people have been religious. That’s the best way to get the conversation started, too: build trust.

  • Brilliant and succinct! With your permission, I would love to repost this on my site (with due credit). I wouldn’t be able to state it any better.

  • TheBob

    “How to prevent the spread of disease.” We haven’t solved this yet sorry…Just fact checking. http://godlessmom.com/this-pastor-thinks-his-3-questions-for-atheists-will-bring-us-to-god/ I really do like this article though…Especially the Big Bang part falls in line with what I believe…

  • TheBob

    “What stars are.” We also don’t know this to be fact either…We have never made it to a star, nor would we be able to extract anything from it with out destroying the vehicle doing so….We guess at what they are made of using telescopes and sensors and such…We know for sure they are big masses of burning energy….Also who is to stay this is Recent discoveries…Sorry but even more recent evidence suggests we have a huge chunk of our knowledge was lost several thousand years ago as far back to a few hundred-thousand years of discoveries…The Ancient Mesopotamian’s had batteries and lights before any else did…Same as in Egypt…

  • TheBob

    This too…”The Bible – unless you can prove that the Bible is true with more
    evidence outside of the Bible itself, the Bible is not evidence for
    anything but the existence of a book of tales written many moons ago.”
    You cannot use this either, same can be said about most of history
    then…Even stories in your own family, the argument can be made both
    directions…Same as any atheist or theist their is neither evidence for
    or against…It is a personal choice and belief….

  • TheBob

    “We could absolutely be friends… as long as you don’t mind a little blasphemy from time to time.” Even though I am a believer I love blasphemy….

  • TheBob

    You link back to this “I would never attack you based solely on the fact that you’re religious.
    I would and do, however, find it difficult not to tear a strip off of
    people who use their religious beliefs as an excuse to say and do awful
    things. This is why Frank Turek will always be Joseph Goebbels to me., and give a definition of religion of ~an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods”..I could interject here and substitute: worship a ________ or a group of _________ blank and blank, since to you all god isn’t an object or being it is an abstract thought. Religion means absolutely nothing to atheists so insert blank or group of blank….Alcohol…eating….sex….smoking….TV, movies, video games….ect….ect…ect…can be used with this definition…. Sorry, but I don’t think Frank Turek is calling for the subjugation of gays unlike what Joseph Goebbels did to the Jewish people…That is a really bad comparison sorry or even what Mao did with the Red Guard in China, or the Hitler Youth….I know you are smarter than this.

  • TheBob

    “I reserve the right to make fun of silly things. If you believe in things I feel are silly, those beliefs may be made fun of. I don’t do it to offend you.” I get this, as I am not PC, yet most of your side is TOO PC that it causes issues..But the same can be said of gay jokes, jokes about race, and being a women or not…Also everyone should be freely able to say what they want as in the words nigger….or jew…or spic. chink…..And everything else for that matter of fact…

  • TheBob

    “My suggestion: don’t take it personally. Try to see the reason, and hear
    what I am actually saying. Put down your protest signs, and slip out of
    your persecuted pants. Let the wall down and really hear me. You might
    be surprised.” How about you try this for yourself. Why not try just try to sit and listen to God he does speak to everyone in their own way…You might be surprised….

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  • Rick Holtsclaw

    Atheists in America are nothing less than an enemy of the State and an enemy of our Lord Jesus Christ. Atheists are simply a product, a tool, of the Progressive-Left-Socialist agenda that seeks to destroy the foundations of America’s Constitutional Republic.

    America has lost two-successive-generations to the lies and deception of Darwinian Evolutionary Theory which was infused into the public school curriculum one-year subsequent to the SCOTUS decision of Engel v. Vitale (1962). The following generations were inundated with Darwin’s lies which are the promulgator of atheism and deception.

    Evolution/atheism devalue human life and on January 22, 1973, SCOTUS declared an unconstitutional war on the life of the pre-born child via Roe v. Wade (1973). Roe v. Wade (abortion on demand) denies the pre-born child their 5th and 14th Amendment “due process” protections and America’s Federal Government became a co-conspirator in the murder, torture, dismemberment, mutilation, of 60-million babies subsequent to Roe/73.

    Also in 1973, the APA declassified homosexuality as a mental illness and the 2nd Edition of the Humanist Manifesto was published.

    Subsequent to 1973, the Lord Jesus Christ began an incremental distancing from the United States and it was Obergefell v. Hodges (2015) (Same-sex Marriage) that confirmed the fact our Lord had left America to pursue its own devices. Jesus Christ has walked away from America’s blood hands of abortion.

    Every one of the before mentioned SCOTUS decisions were based on the lies and deception of Atheism and history will record the fact that Atheism was ultimately the demise of American Culture and its Constitutional Republic which is based on the rule of law – an experiment in Democracy that depended solely on the Lord Jesus Christ as King and the heart of the American Citizen having been redeemed by the Holy Spirit.

    • Thanks4AllTheFish

      All the choices available in the world and you chose to accept this one. You have my sympathy – but only insofar as you are willing to take a small step outside of your cloistered bubble, look around you and come to the realization that the only difference in this entire universe between you and an atheist is you require an imaginary friend and a gilded book to make your arguments for you.

    • Wesley Willis

      “Atheists are simply a product, a tool, of the Progressive-Left-Socialist agenda that seeks to destroy the foundations of America’s Constitutional Republic.”

      What about all the conservative-right atheists?

    • Wesley Willis

      “America has lost two-successive-generations to the lies and deception of Darwinian Evolutionary Theory which was infused into the public school curriculum”

      I don’t think you understand what “evolution” and “theory” means.

    • Wesley Willis

      “Evolution/atheism devalue human life”

      False. I don’t think you understand what “evolution” and “atheism” means.

    • Wesley Willis

      “the APA declassified homosexuality as a mental illness”

      I don’t think you know what “homosexuality” means. I also don’t think you understand biology. Prove me wrong.

    • Wesley Willis

      “the Lord Jesus Christ began an incremental distancing from the United States”

      1) prove it. 2) FIRST prove that JC is real (I’d even accept LIKELY to be real) and why we should care what he thinks?

    • Wesley Willis

      “lies and deception of Atheism”

      You’ve demonstrated yet again that you don’t know what “atheism” means. (TIP: when criticizing somebody’s point of view you should AT LEAST understand what that point of view is all about)