I was Just Asked To Read This World Salad, Here’s My Response

Dafa as the creatorI was sent this link just now on Twitter, and asked to read the whole thing before replying. To prove I did, I made comments after each point and thought I’d share this with you all, as well. 

From Falundafa.org

On Dafa

Dafa is the wisdom of the Creator. ←– in order for me to accept this, I need a reason to believe there is a creator.

It is the bedrock of creation, what the heavens, earth, and universe are built upon. ←– Tell me why I should believe the universe is a creation.

It encompasses all things, from the utmost minuscule to the vastest of the vast, while manifesting differently at each of the cosmic body’s planes of existence. ←– A claim I cannot verify.

Out of the depths of the cosmic body, the tiniest of particles first appear, with layers upon layers of countless particles following, ranging in size from small to great, reaching all the way to the outer planes that humankind knows—those of atoms, molecules, planets, and galaxies—and beyond, to what is still larger. Particles of varying sizes make up lives of varying sizes as well as the worlds of varying sizes that permeate the cosmic body. Lives at any of the various planes of particles perceive the particles of the next larger plane to be planets in their skies, and this is true at each and every plane. To the lives at each plane of the universe, it seems to go on infinitely. ←- None of this makes any sense, whatsoever. It is woo-filled word salad.

It was Dafa that created time and space, the multitude of lives and species, and all of creation; all that exists owes to it, with nothing outside of it. ←– Why should I believe this?

All of these are the tangible expressions, at different planes, of Dafa’s qualities: Zhen, Shan, and Ren.* ←– Another claim I have no way of verifying.

However advanced people’s means of exploring space and probing life may be, the knowledge gained is limited ←– Agreed. So far.

to certain parts of this one dimension, where human beings reside, at a low plane of the universe. ←– Yo, say what?

Other planets were explored before by humans during civilizations predating history. ←— Why should I believe this?

Yet for all the heights and distances achieved, humankind has never managed to depart from the dimension in which it exists. ←— Whatchu talkin’ ‘bout, Willis?

The true picture of the universe will forever elude humankind. ←– I think you mean, the complete picture. And this may be true.

If a human being is to understand the mysteries of the universe, space-time, and the human body, he must take up cultivation of a true Way and achieve true enlightenment, raising his plane of being. ←– Why should I believe this?

Through cultivation his moral character will elevate, and once he has learned to discern what is truly good from evil, and virtue from vice, and he goes beyond the human plane, he will see and gain access to the realities of the universe as well as the lives of other planes and dimensions. ←– I’m gonna need more than you saying so to believe this.

While people often claim that their scientific pursuits are to “improve quality of life,” it is technological competition that drives them. ←– Sometimes, but a lot of the time, people get paid the same no matter how many great findings their research yields.

And in most cases they have come about only after people have pushed out the divine and abandoned moral codes meant to ensure self-restraint. ←– There are plenty of phenomenally selfless human beings conducting research.

It was for these reasons that civilizations of the past many times met with destruction. ←– I wholeheartedly disagree. Natural disasters, low fertility rates, foreign invasion are the top reasons why civilizations end.

People’s explorations are necessarily limited to this material world, and the methods are such that only what has been recognized is studied. Meanwhile, things that are intangible or invisible in the human dimension, but that do objectively exist and do reveal themselves in real ways in this immediate world—such as spirituality, faith, divine word, and miracles—are treated as taboo, for people have cast out the divine. ←– Spirituality is treated as Taboo? I believe Deepak Chopra, the Pope, the fact that no politician can admit to being an atheist and still have a hope of being elected in the most powerful country in the world are just the tip of the iceberg of evidence that contradicts this claim.

If the human race is able to improve its character, conduct, and thinking by grounding these in moral values, it will be possible for civilization to endure ←– Agreed.

and even for miracles to occur again in the human world. ←– I need more than just your word to believe this.

Many times in the past, cultures that were as divine as they were human have appeared in this world and helped people to arrive at a truer understanding of life and the universe. ←– Such as?

When people show the appropriate respect and reverence toward Dafa as it manifests here in this world, they, their race, or their nation will enjoy blessings or honor. ←– Definitely need more than just your say-so to believe this.

It was Dafa—the Great Way of the universe—that created the cosmic body, the universe, life, and all of creation. ←– Why should I believe this?

Any life that turns away from Dafa is truly corrupt. Any person who can align with Dafa is truly a good person, and will be rewarded and blessed with health and happiness. ←– Why should I believe this?

And any cultivator who is able to become one with Dafa is an enlightened one—divine. ←– A-say-what, homeslice?

Li Hongzhi, May 24, 2015

Thanks, Mr. Hongzhi. I see your intentions appear good, but you’re basically telling me I need to accept all of this on nothing more than your say-so. As a skeptic, this is difficult for me to do. I need a reason why I should believe you before I believe all other creation myths. How do you know “dafa” is the true creator of the universe, when there are so many other creator gods attributed with this feat?

In other words, where is the evidence that backs all of this up?

Why should I believe you?

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