An Analogy So Bad, You’ll Feel Like You’re Taking Crazy Pills

Arguments for God and the sorts of things God likes are kinda like Will Ferrell movies for me. Most of the time I get some really great belly laughs out of them. Some, like Old School, are worthy of a rewatch and only get funnier with age. Others, like Night at the Roxbury, have become deep regrets and make me wish I could get those two hours back. Finally, there are the masterpieces, like Anchorman 2, that work your gut muscles like you just did the Jillian Michaels 6 Week Six-Pack workout in one night. James Anderson, a professor of theology but who should clearly be a professor of guffaws, just slaughtered my abs like it was my first time watching Step Brothers.

Professor Anderson is comparing human behaviour to software… and of course, he’s using this comparison to argue against atheists.

I heard this one-liner from fellow programmers many times when I worked in computer research. I probably used it myself on a few occasions. At the risk of killing a joke by explaining it, the idea behind the quip is to spin a vice as a virtue: to reinterpret a mistake as an unintended or undocumented benefit. A positive spin is placed on an error, suggesting that what might be seen as a fault is really a feature—even if an unintended one.

What does any of this have to do with atheism? I want to suggest that the distinction between bugs and features can help us see an inconsistency in the beliefs of many of our atheist friends.

Right off the bat, this argument is flawed, and here’s why:

1. Likening human behaviour to software assumes there is a programmer who wrote the software. Atheists don’t believe in a supreme programmer, so this line of reasoning will fail.

2. Comparing human nature to software is also presupposing that there is an ultimate purpose for which we have been “written”. Atheists do not believe we have an author-given purpose to fulfill. Again, your argument will not succeed with an atheist if you use this line of reasoning.

3. Human behaviour is neither vice nor virtue as it relates to everything in existence. The third moon of Saturn is hardly affected by a teenager running it up the flagpole to some MILF porn. Human behaviour is, however, consequential and inconsequential in relation to our survival and the well-being of others in our species.

Consider the following three views commonly held by atheists today:

  1. Common human traits have a naturalistic evolutionary explanation.
  2. Religion—especially theistic religion—is a bad thing.
  3. Homosexuality is not a bad thing.
Okay, Prof. I'm considerin'.

Okay, Prof. I’m considerin’.

The first of these points follows from the widespread acceptance among atheists of the Darwinian theory of evolution. Evolution is taken for granted as the default explanation for where we came from and why we exhibit certain characteristics and behavior patterns.

No, it’s not “taken for granted as the default explanation”. It is, instead, extracted as an explanation after reviewing overwhelming evidence that supports it. Evolution also does not explain where we came from; how we originated is explained by abiogenesis. Evolution explains the diversity of life, not its origins. But you knew that, didn’t ya, Prof? I mean… what sort of professor would argue against something they hadn’t studied already?

What is this? Amateur hour?

A second common view among atheists today is that religion, particularly religion centered on a personal creator God, is a bad thing. It’s not merely that atheists don’t personally care for religion. Rather, they’re inclined to make negative value judgments about religion and those who practice it.

nope

 

No, Prof, that’d be an anti-theist. Atheists just don’t believe in God. Again, you knew this because as a professor you value being informed before you argue something, right?

it’s safe to say that only a minority of atheists in the West today take a negative view of homosexuality.

It’s not necessarily that we don’t take a negative view, Prof. It’s more about us not giving a shit what consenting adults do with their cock n’ balls. You know, we feel that’s kind of… well, it’s perverted to concern yourself with how strangers glaze the ol’ donut.

Both religion and homosexuality are common traits in human society (although the first is vastly more common than the second, and, it must be said, the prevalence of homosexuality is often overstated). Yet atheists typically view religion as a bad thing and homosexuality as a good thing—or, at least, as not a bad thing.

Doesn't make any sense.

 

Most atheists see nothing wrong with homosexuality. This is true in my experience. However, the reason for that is not because homosexuality is “common”. It’s because there is no harm done by it, so disliking same-sex love in any fashion is a waste of time and energy. Yes, religion is common, perhaps more so than homosexuality (I would have to see numbers on that), but the consequences of religion now and throughout history have been immense, unending and abhorrent.

It’s really very simple, Prof. Atheists judge what human behaviours are good and bad by their consequences, not by how common the behaviour is. Usually, the prevalence of homosexuality comes up as an argument against hateful theists who claim it is unnatural. Pointing out that most species exhibit homosexual behaviours usually reduces that argument to dust, but it’s not the reason we support gay people.

You’re basically making the argument that atheists believe that if something is commonplace, it should be acceptable. By that logic, we would also support murder, drug abuse, alcoholism, obesity, etc, etc.

I’m wondering if you would give a student a failing grade on a paper if it was clear they didn’t think it through, Prof.

atheists treat religion as a “bug” but homosexuality as a “feature.”

Crazy pills

 

No, Professor, we do not! We don’t treat any human behaviour as a “bug” nor any human traits as a “feature” because we don’t believe we have been written to have an ultimate purpose by some bearded celestial programmer.

We do, on the other hand, see some human behaviours as harmful and others with little to no negative consequence. If something hurts people more often than not, either physically or by stripping them of human rights, it’s pretty obvious that thing is not so great. Conversely, if something only affects the two consenting people involved, then it’s not worth giving a shit about.

But the oddity is this: for the atheist both traits are understood to be products, or at least byproducts, of evolution. If the two traits are equally the result of undirected natural evolutionary processes, why treat one as a bad result and the other as a good result?

 

Because one causes harm, while the other does not. Once again, most atheists base what they believe to be good and what they believe to be bad, on the consequences, not how “natural” it is.

What objective basis is there for treating one as a “bug” and the other as a “feature”?

Going around in cirlces

Now we’re just going around in circles.

Evolution thus favors traits that promote reproduction and survival. On the one hand, the positive correlation between religiosity and birth rates is well documented. Non-religious people tend to have fewer children.

Which would be a really great argument, if it weren’t for the environmental disaster we face in the near future which, it can be argued, is caused in no small part by overpopulation. Survival is a complex thing, dependent on ecosystems and suitability to one’s environment. It’s not just about pumping out babies.

Homosexuality, on the other hand, hardly favors reproduction.

Not directly, no. However, loving, homosexual couples willing to adopt certainly increase the survivability of third world orphans. They can also find surrogates or sperm donors or any of the other myriad ways to have a baby without a man and a woman being married.

If everything in this universe is ultimately the product of undirected, purposeless, impersonal natural processes, there is no rational basis for saying that some features of the universe are objectively “good” while others are “bad.”

no

 

You are exhausting, Prof. No. Once again, good behaviours can be spotted by their good consequences. Bad behaviours can be identified by their bad consequences. Behaviours we should not give a second thought to can be identified by their complete lack of consequences to anyone but the consensual people involved.

For the serious atheist nothing in the universe—and therefore nothing in human society—can be literally “good” or “bad.” There are neither bugs nor features in an evolutionary naturalist universe, since both concepts presuppose an underlying design or intention behind the universe.

Now you have it!

 

Yay! Now you have it! Now you understand that in the grand scheme of things (including all the billions of light years of space out there) what we do means nothing. It is neither good nor bad. However, that doesn’t change the fact that to our species, our planet and the other life we share it with, there is necessity to see things as good and bad. While the Universe does not care what we do each day, our neighbours certainly do. Assessing the consequences of our actions prior to committing them, is a mechanism of survival and makes living here on Earth a helluva lot more pleasant. That’s why judging what behaviours are good and which are bad is best done by considering the consequences.

A biblical worldview offers a different and far more consistent perspective on religion and homosexuality.

The Biblical worldview offers no consistency on any topic. Sure, right now men marrying men is viewed as evil, but not 100 years ago, whites marrying blacks was evil. A few hundred years ago, witches were evil and burned at the stake. Slavery was, at one point, viewed as a consequence of sin, and dark skin was viewed as a sign of the devil’s presence. You’d be pretty transparently full of shit if you actually insisted the Biblical worldview was consistent in any way, shape or form.

what about homosexuality? Should it be viewed as a “bug”? No, for that would imply error on God’s part. Sexuality is undoubtedly a “feature” of human beings, but like all genuine features it has a specific design behind it: a male-female complementary, to which both Scripture and nature attest. So perhaps it would be better to view the homosexual lifestyle as something like this: the user-induced misconfiguration and misapplication of an original feature set.

Of course the same must be said of every other expression of human fallenness. None of us is functioning to spec. Yet mercifully the Bible is more than a diagnostic tool; it proclaims the good news that the Master Coder offers not merely a “restore” but an “upgrade.” We look forward with great anticipation to Creation 2.0 (Isa. 65:17–25; 2 Pet. 3:13; Rev. 21:1–4)! Indeed, for believers in Jesus the reconfiguration process has already begun: “If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation” (2 Cor. 5:17).

Idiot

 

I really don’t know what to say to this, and it concerns me that you are a professor of anything. You’ve sufficiently waxed an analogy, over and over again, that will have no relevance to an atheist because it presupposes a Yahweh is our “programmer”. You’ve ended your imbecilic rant against love with less than you started. Dude…

Not even mad

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  • Virtual Atheist

    As an atheist I think religion is a bad and dangerous thing. Also as an atheist I think your sexuality is not my fucking business!

    Nicely dissected 🙂

  • Graham

    Nice work, GM.

    3 Comments:
    Regarding Creation 2.0, the software world holds the concept of “Vaporware”, software that sounds great but never existed or comes to market (live by the analogy, die by the analogy).

    I have a Masters in Computer Science. I have found that computer scientists seem to have a knack for trying to reduce human behavior into logical, computer-like constructs. It partially explains their abilities to intimately understand simple machines, rather than complex people. It works for them professionally, but one might wonder about avocation vs. vocation.

    Finally (and obviously) being an “expert” in one field in no way qualifies one for expertise in an entirely unrelated field (not that I consider, personally, apologetics a “field”). I’ve decided from here on to refer to any apologetics as what it is, “Fan Fiction”.

  • ~The Biblical worldview offers no consistency on any topic~

    This.

  • Robert Douglas

    I couldn’t finish that.
    The stupid shone too bright.

  • Hi Brian,

    Your comment was automatically marked as requiring approval because it had a link in it. I have tried to approve it a few times and it’s not working. I assume there is something wrong with the Disqus system so I will try again tomorrow. Perhaps also my reply here will approve it.

    That said, I read your rebuttal and toyed with the idea of responding on my own blog, however, your post made quite clear that you’re not interested in hearing what I have to say, nor any other atheist. You seem quite sure you know what we’re all about, how we behave, what we believe and how we feel about certain topics. From your opening line alone, “At the root of atheism is the understanding that every created thing came into existence through a process of evolution.” I can already tell you have no understanding of what an atheist is, nor what evolution is. The tone of your post also makes very clear that you’re sure you do understand these things fully, and likely have fingers rigidly shoved in your ears when anyone wants to tell you otherwise.

    The entire blog post is straw man after straw man written by someone who seems so sure he understands what he’s talking about. There’s not a single person on Earth who understands everything, and there is certainly no shame in admitting the things you do not understand, but when you puff out your chest and act as though you do while refusing to hear the truth, well, then, going head to head with you is nothing but a waste of my time and energy.

    My suggestion: Find enough nerve to admit you have no idea what you’re talking about, then find out from real atheists what being an atheist actually means. Then, study evolution from a reputable scientific journal so you can at least know what it is you’re arguing against.

    • Brian J. Orr

      Hi godlessmom,

      Thanks for the response. In my response, I did not attempt to present an exhaustive description of atheism and everything it encompasses; rather, like I stated, I presented the essence of it. If my “essence” of it was as you stated, a straw-man, then I would like for you to correct my errors, so I can more accurately understand your view. I do find it ironic that you state I make straw-man after straw-man and then question my tone, when in looking at your posts on your FB page, the tone you demonstrate is quite harsh toward religion, lacking any type of environment open for discussion (I obviously don’t know you but that is my perception based off what I see). Furthermore, your understanding of Christianity, which you lump in with other religions in disdain (which is fallacious), is full of straw-men views, in which you seem to assume to know what the biblical Christian worldview is. I would highly recommend, if you want to be accurate in your understanding of biblical Christianity, that you should spend some time studying reputable conservative scholarship, so you can at least know what you are arguing against.

      With that said, at this time, I feel that my arguments are accurate in content according to the content you presented. So, I would really appreciate a response demonstrating the flaws in my conclusions. I made the argument that your morality according to an atheistic worldview has no foundation to make any sort of “ought” claim to, for, or against anyone in an objective fashion. I would like to hear your response demonstrating that atheism does in fact have a foundation that it can hold to yet remain consistent in the rest of its worldview.

      You too sound so sure of what you are talking about, otherwise you would not make such a stance in the way that you do, right?

      If you feel this would be a waste of time, then it seems to me that the true atheistic position is not worth defending or presenting. I believe true understanding can only come in knowing Christ, for he is truth, and I desire to see you come to know him in truth.

      I thank you for your time,

      Brian

      • Brad Feaker

        The first sentence of that ill informed screed demonstrated that you are hopelessly ignorant about both atheism and evolution.

        “At the root of atheism is the understanding that every created thing came into existence through a process of evolution.”

        Uhhhhh…no. If you had bothered to read GM’s post you might have noticed she already addressed your ignorance. And I quote”:”Evolution also does not explain where we came from; how we originated is explained by abiogenesis. Evolution explains the diversity of life, not its origins.” – GM

        Was that too hard? So know you know why we (for the most part) do not get drawn into debate with folks of your ilk Brian. It is hard to debate someone who seems to be lacking in basic reading comprehension skills, much less someone who is willfully ignorant of the subject upon which they opine.

        So – TTFN. Atheism needs no defending from ideas like yours 🙂 Bye now!

        • Brian J. Orr

          I should have included that in my summation statement; I see your point. Yes, abiogenesis is the study of spontaneous generation of life from inorganic materials; however, a theory of evolution is needed in the atheistic worldview to get to where we are at today. Thanks for the correction.

          However, it doesn’t take atheism off the hook :). There are too many “could of” or “might have” or “maybe have been” in theories that remain theories because they cannot be observed, replicated, or tested. So, there is a faith element at play. I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist.

          My original argument still stands; atheism sacrifices consistency because it has to adopt a biblical worldview on morality.