9 Ways Atheist Moms Are Different From Religious Moms

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atheist momAlmost daily, I get comments on my Instagram posts or replies to my tweets that I’m doing some sort of disservice to my kids for raising them without religion. Y’all know me, I don’t give two fucks what the brainwashed Jeeby lovers think of me, but I’d like to destroy this sentiment anyway. Let’s be honest, some of the voodoo woo woo horseshit religious moms feed their kids is what is truly detrimental to a growing mind. Sure, I recognize that not all religious moms are the same. Some are wonderful and accepting and truly do a great job with their kids. Others, well, others seem to take that book of theirs too seriously and do or say things to their kids that no atheist mom ever would. Not one of us.

Here are nine ways atheist moms differ from religious moms:

1. We would never refer to our children as sinners. Certainly not for being a normal human being. If you think it’s romantic to see yourself as broken and in need of saving, that’s on you, Bible buddy, but keep it to your damned self. Don’t infect your kids with that bullshit. As atheist parents, there is nothing our children could do to make us see them as sinners, because we don’t believe in sin. Calling a child a sinner is something only really awful moms would do. It’s demeaning, dehumanizing and abusive. While I recognize that not all religious moms would do this, there are zero atheist moms who would.

2. We would never tell our children that some people go to a place after death to be tortured and burned for eternity. For a child, hearing from the adults they trust about such a place, is fucking terrorism. Even if they’re not picturing people they love there, you’re planting images of humans being treated like trash; images of extreme pain and fear; images of flesh melting away from bones; images that will haunt them for their entire lives. An atheist mother would never tell their child that hell is a real place, where real people are sent to live in anguish for eternity, and I hope any mother who does has to clean up extra poopy pants from her scared shitless kids. Poop messy and hard, kids. Do it often. Your mom needs some humbling.

3. We would never tell our children that if they engage in certain behaviours, that they too, may end up in hell. We don’t need to terrorize our children into fearing their own human nature. We don’t need to cripple them with the fear of making mistakes. We embrace the mistakes, we embrace their nature and we would never, ever use the threat of eternal torture to get the behaviour we want out of them. That sort of lazy parenting is reserved for those who think women are just man-ribs and Jeeby is coming, albeit late, to save us all from himself.

4. We would never tell our children that the wafer they are eating is the flesh of a man who died 2000 years prior. You see, some of us think cannibalism is not just a bad thing, but possibly the worst thing. Some of us want to instill a good sense of morality, of compassion and concern for our fellow human beings. Some of us want to instill a respect for life in our kids and not teach them that man-flesh is just another option to throw on the barbecue. Some of us, and this may be the biggest shock, try to teach our kids that biting is not cool. You know, every once in awhile in a school cafeteria in the deep south, some kid loses his shit and stabs another kid with a fork, and the mom is all, “I don’t know what possessed him to do that!”. That’s bullshit, honey tits. He’s stabbing kids with his fork because you told him to fucking eat people. You go to cannibalism meetings and line up to eat flesh and drink blood. “I don’t know where he got that idea!”. You, saggy knockers. He got it from you.

5. We would never tell our kids that they are being watched by an invisible man who casts judgement on their behaviour. Mostly because we have enough respect for our kids not to try and sell them on something so heinously ludicrous. Also because the idea of someone watching and judging their every move is a terrifying thing for kids. This is a great way to make your children fear trying new things, or going new places, or growing into a well-rounded adult. I think moms who tell their kids this should have to be put in zoos, because you’re goddamned animals.

6. We would never decorate our homes with execution methods or give our children jewelry with torture methods on them. We feel extreme unease letting our kids go to places that seem to think this is okay. Hanging bloody corpses on the walls of your home makes it about as wholesome as a porno directed by Quentin Tarantino. You wouldn’t put a guillotine on your wall, nor an electric chair. You wouldn’t decorate with a syringe used for lethal injection or photos of firing squads. I’m fairly certain you wouldn’t erect a gallows in your backyard. So, why just this one execution method? Why is this somehow better than the rest, and perfectly fine to expose your children to on a daily basis?

7. We would never lead our children to believe that if they wish in just the right way, an all-powerful being may grant that wish, despite billions of people wishing daily for the very basic necessities of life. No, your kid wants a remote control BB8 with sound effects. Sorry Africa, you’ll have to starve another day.

8. We would never tell our kids that illnesses of any sort can be cured by a magic man, so long as you say the right prayers, and just enough to please him. No, we want our kids to grow up understanding that their best chance to beat an illness is to see their doctor. Why? I guess we just want our kids to live long, healthy lives. Call us fucking crazy…

9. We absolutely would never insist to our children that an invisible man in the sky is more important than family. Not all religious moms are like this, but some put God before family and make no qualms telling their babies this. Nevermind that their kids are real, observable and demonstrably so, or that their kids are the ones who will bring them great joy throughout their lives, or that their kids may be all they have to rely on in old age. Nevermind any of this, because they have this special book which they know is true because their special book says so. Can you feel it? Can you feel the circular reasoning? Cannagitta ramen?

I’m inclined to believe that these things all harm children and stop them from becoming healthy, intelligent thinkers who can take care of themselves. If you still need to believe, though, that not doing any of these things to my kid means I’m doing a disservice to them, then so be it. It’s not like adding one more delusion to your already lengthy list of delusions is really going to make a difference. Think of me what you wish, but I know, without these parenting techniques, I’m doing a better job than many.

Happy belated Mother’s Day to all the unbelieving moms out there teaching their kids reason and critical thought, and to all the religious moms who, in spite of their holy texts and faith in god, treat their kids with the respect they deserve.

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  • Jess Jessmer

    I’m 22 and I don’t have children but something made me read this. I’m really glad I did. I was brought up as Christian and I like the rest was instilled with the fear of god. Quite frankly I only see people using god as a threat or a way to alienat one another.This post kind of helped me realize what my family did and how it affects my life now as an adult. How other children treat their peers just because they may not belive in God or they don’t follow all the “rules”. How the thought of god is spreading hate that many people may not realize. I think what you post and talk about is so important for people to realize. I’m not saying it’s bad to believe in God. The idea of torturing, teasing ,and alienating others is not ok.

  • Josh Hornbaker

    It’s sort of interesting to me that 1. You say you don’t care yet care enough to rant against some mothers while propping yourself up. So either you don’t care about how some moms rear their children or you do. Can’t be both. Logical fallacy. 2. You say you want to teach your children respect while badmouthing and insulting moms with names like “honey tits.” So you’re actually teaching your children to only treat certain people with respect. 3. You successfully set up quite a few straw men arguments and lovingly and respectfully tore them down. That’s probably something your children will also be very good at. For that, I commend you and the flowery language you use.

  • SteveInCO

    You know, if you’re going to run an autoplay video and brag about how often it’s been watched (Wow over 480,000 viewings!), it’s dishonest to put it in a loop the viewer can’t shut off while he reads your content. Plus, it appears to be reloading every time it loops (rather than buffering) and that REALLY is a dick move to people who are on a limited data allowance–like mobile users.

    Given all that I didn’t finish reading what you had to say, because I can’t afford the data.

    • No one is bragging, the stat is there because that’s included in the Vine embed. I appreciate you pointing out though, that it can’t be stopped. I hadn’t thought of the data issue. You could be more polite about it. I wasn’t doing it to be a dick.

      • SteveInCO

        First off let me apologize for letting my frustrations with the sorts of people who think the internet has bottomless free capacity, out on you.

        Second, thanks for removing it.

        Third, my apologies for letting my frustrations with the sorts of people who think the internet has bottomless free capacity, out on you.

        Though I don’t doubt you weren’t trying to brag about the number of views, I suspect the writer of the embed is thinking he can do something with a gratuitously inflated statistic–like sell ads that show up between the loops or something like that. Or he/she may be truly thoughtless, as in not thinking. (To the developer: If you gotta do this, at least let the video buffer instead of pulling it down over and over!)

        Oh, and I almost forgot: My apologies for letting my frustrations with the sorts of people who think the internet has bottomless free capacity, out on you.

      • SteveInCO

        PS good post. Thanks again.

  • FuttBucker

    “We would never tell our kids that they are being watched by an invisible man who casts judgement on their behaviour.” So I take it your kids won’t believe in Santa Claus?

    • They do, but I don’t teach them Santa judges their behaviour.

      • Lee Porteous

        I don’t think there is anything wrong with using Santa as a tool for that. You are telling me you have never said (around Christmas) you better be a good little boy because Santa is watching you don’t want to go on the naughty list.

        I think the difference is, when they get to a certain age it is revealed that it was the parents all along, surprise! Santa was made up. You know your mum and dad aren’t an all seeing eye so there is no lasting damage like there is in religions.

      • Shamus Mac

        But judging behaviour is part of the mythology of Santa. The Christmas carol will inform them of this, even if you don’t.

        Teaching your kids to believe in any invisible man leaves you wide open to many of your own criticisms. Please consider joining the full no-bullshit train.

        I don’t want to use the word hypocrisy because I love you and your writing, but this sort of situation (being the subject of your own criticism) is what the word applies to.

      • FuttBucker

        Isn’t that sort of the ENTIRE point of Santa Claus?

        • Not in our house. It’s just a fun thing and eventually, a great exercise in critical thinking when they figure it out, just like it was for me.

  • Non Mormon

    More and more without religion. I love it. Live your life to the fullest because that is the best thing to do, not because you think the man will punish you.

  • Lee Porteous

    I am surprised there was no mention of sexuality but then I suppose you do get non religious people who for some reason believe it is wrong to be Gay/Bi or love animals…wait what?

  • SteveInCO

    Even the “Historical Jesus” would be of zero comfort to a doctrinaire Christian. No actual miracles, no literal son of god, no resurrection…just a guy who (probably) thought he was the messiah (note: Messiah did NOT mean divine figure who is the son of god, it simply meant an anointed ruler who’d re-establish Judea and kick some ass, a super-King-David), did not believe he was divine (nor did any of his followers at the time) and *certainly* thought the end times would happen very very soon (now overdue some 1980 years).

  • Roy D Carlson

    I guess I misunderstand your premise here. Isn’t part of being human embracing the ability we each possess to learn and grow and improve ourselves? And isn’t self-improvement, at its core, an admission that our previous behavior, whatever it may be, is in need of improvement, thus harmful, limiting, or even dangerous?

    Take, for example, learning to read. If I learn how to say and read words, I do it because words make my ability to prosper, interact with others, and raise a family far more possible and fulfilling than if I were to go through life without the ability to read or intelligibly speak. Thus the primal/birthed way is limiting and needs to be improved. This is the same with walking, running, coordination, critical thinking, etc. All of this makes us better people, and the implication has to be that we were worse off before.

    And if we take this a step further, we could say that the invisible force called the “world” judges us and limits us should we NOT learn to read or speak or walk or run or think critically, etc. And if we possess the capacity of these things but do not learn or exercise them, then the world rightly judges us and condemns us.

    Parents, when they see their young child running out on the busy street, will scream and yell, and run out after them to protect them. Most parents will say “you never do that again, that was bad” and may even take a privilege away in order to teach the young child that such behavior is dangerous and wrong. I do this with my dog all the time; I think this is what it is to be a parent or a pet owner – to raise our children/pets so that they perform and act in ways which benefit them, prosper them, and help others.

    Now we Christians believe that God does this for us. God has no interest in sending anyone to hell, but wants all people to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. That’s right out of the Bible. Ultimately we can still be rebellious and run out in front of that car, but the whole time God is screaming and yelling and saying “stop, stop, you’re going to get killed”, and He even runs out to save us by sending Christ to throw us out of the way and take the fall instead. We can still push God away and run out and die anyway, but that’s not God’s desire; it’s our own foolishness and obstinate heart that leads to death.

    When we talk about “sin”, it’s no different than talking about the fact that our nature is one that needs reforming and reworking so that, as with the person who can’t read or speak, we learn to live our lives a better way. And as with learning to read, we must admit that we can’t read before we can read. In order to be a better person we must admit that we are broken in some way so that we can be fixed. None of this is rocket science or only part of religion. This is all practical, real stuff.

    Now here’s what’s funny. You’re entire premise about God and Christianity is based on your inability to speak or read rightly, to rightly understand God and His Church. Right now I’m doing what parents do for their kids – correct your understanding. Because if you go through life not understanding Christianity in the right way, you will always go through life mis-representing it, just as a child who tries to read when he can’t misrepresents the words and the whole book. And in doing so you will lead others to misunderstand and misrepresent, and ultimately all of you who misunderstand and misrepresent judge yourselves – you don’t need God to do it – and your unwillingness to learn the truth leaves you smack-dab in front of that car, and you don’t even know it.

  • Angie Ishere

    Hi! I enjoyed reading your blog post. It put a smile on my face. Thanks for that! Sincerely! 🙂 I am a Christian mom. WELS Lutheran to be more specific.

    You have ironically pointed out the many failures (yes,.sins) of Christian moms, then you called them “goddamned animals” and then ironically condemned them to be put in a “Zoo” for eternity (well the rest of their lives at least but I am trying to make a comparison with Hell so that you will get my point). The irony is….the God you hate so much is just like YOU…see what I did there? But the God you hate so much is also not the actual God of Christianity and thank God for that or I would be an atheist too! 🙂

    The good news is that God isn’t at all like you or like you have portrayed Him to be. So while you are out there setting the “good moral example” for your children with all your swearing, hateful derogatory name calling, slandering of others, and wanting to see others put behind bars in a zoo just for being “a normal human being”, you seem to find it very unfortunate that others are out there trying to teach their children that all human beings should be loved unconditionally and cherished and treated with respect no matter what they do or how they behave because that is what the “true” God of Christianity is like.

    You are setting up arguments against people and against God that simply aren’t true and are entirely based on the sum total of your complete ignorance on the matter while claiming that you are a healthy and intelligent thinker……need I say more? You don’t want to call these things sin? FINE. But a person reaps what they sow even if you think these things fall under “good morals” or “being a normal human being”. Little seeds like these, which are sown in the hearts of children, eventually take root and grow into large thistles unless pulled out of the ground. How many people do you know of that actually go ahead and plant thistle seeds?? I don’t know of a single person. But thistles, when fully grown, will prick you and cause you pain and suffering.
    .
    I, on the other hand, will call them sin. Why? Because they are not a “good moral example” that I want to teach my children. This is precisely because they lead to all the sinful behaviors that have caused so much pain and suffering in this world when it comes to relationships between people. None of these sins help us to unconditionally love and respect all people like God unconditionally loves and respects all people. The world would be a much better place without these sins. So that’s the direction I want to steer both myself and my kids in. But still, none of us is perfect by any means and yes, we all sin. Daily in fact!

    Like the Apostle Paul said when he was a “mature” Christian nearing the end of his earthly life, I have to admit that I too am “the worst of sinners” in this regard. But God isn’t sending me to Hell, Instead He endlessly showers me with His unconditional forgiveness. He isn’t sending my kids to Hell either. Hell is for those who don’t want to call sin “SIN” and who love to wallow in their lives of sin and teach their children to love bringing hurt, harm, pain and suffering to other people. And it is also for those who have no issues of conscience about it, who don’t want to be forgiven for hurting other people.

    There will be sinners in both Heaven and Hell. But the sinners in heaven didn’t get there by being good. They got there because they were forgiven. Christ dangled on a cross with blood pouring out of Him, to give us the certainty of 1) our forgiveness and 2) the “free unconditional gift of eternal life”. And the sinners in Hell didn’t get there by being bad. They got there because they rejected Christ’s free unconditional forgiveness and unconditional gift of eternal life. God respects your decision to reject him. He respects your decision not to want to spend eternity with Him.

    Here are a few great quotes written by others…

    ” Sadly, too many churches have helped to perpetuate the impression that Christianity is primarily concerned with legislating morality. Believe it or not, Christianity is not about good people getting better. If anything, it is good news for bad people coping with their failure to be good. The heart of the Christian faith is Good News, not good advice, good technique, or good behavior. The heart of the Christian faith is Good News.”~

    Progress in obedience happens when our hearts realize that God’s love for us does not depend on our progress in obedience. Martin Luther’s got a point: ‘It is not imitation that makes sons; it is sonship that makes imitators.’
    The real question, then, is: What are you going to do now that you don’t have to do anything? What will your life look like lived under the banner which reads “It is finished?”

    “Christianity is not about moving away from vice to virtue. It’s about moving away from virtue to Christ” Rod Rosenbladt

    “Even he who does not believe that he is free and his sins forgiven shall also learn, in due time, how assuredly his sins were forgiven, even though he did not believe it. St. Paul says in Rom. 3: ‘[Does] their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God[?]… Many do not believe the gospel, but this does not mean that the gospel is not true or effective. A king gives you a castle. If you do not accept it, then it is not the king’s fault, nor is he guilty of a lie. But you have decieved yourself and the fault is yours. The king certainly gave it” Martin Luther (LW, vol. 40, 366-367).

    Jesus loves the unworthy, the dirty, the broken, the failures. Jesus didn’t “fall” in love with us. He chose to love us. His love is unconditional, universal, and free. His love is not a reward for our worth. His love gives us worth. ~Mark Jeske

  • Angie Ishere

    Hi! I enjoyed reading your blog post. It put a smile on my face. Thanks for that! Sincerely! 🙂 I am a Christian mom. WELS Lutheran to be more specific.

    You have ironically pointed out the many failures (yes,.sins) of Christian moms, then you called them “goddamned animals” and then ironically condemned them to be put in a “Zoo” for eternity (well the rest of their lives at least but I am trying to make a comparison with Hell so that you will get my point). The irony is….the God you hate so much is just like YOU…see what I did there? But the God you hate so much is also not the actual God of Christianity and thank God for that or I would be an atheist too! 🙂

    The good news is that God isn’t at all like you or like you have portrayed Him to be. So while you are out there setting the “good moral example” for your children with all your swearing, hateful derogatory name calling, slandering of others, and wanting to see others put behind bars in a zoo just for being “a normal human being”, you seem to find it very unfortunate that others are out there trying to teach their children that all human beings should be loved unconditionally and cherished and treated with respect no matter what they do or how they behave because that is what the “true” God of Christianity is like.

    You are setting up arguments against all Christians and against God that simply aren’t true and are entirely based on the sum total of your complete ignorance on the matter while claiming that you are a healthy and intelligent thinker……need I say more? You don’t want to call these things sin? FINE. But a person reaps what they sow even if you think these things fall under “good morals” or “being a normal human being”. Little seeds like these, which are sown in the hearts of children, eventually take root and grow into large thistles unless pulled out of the ground. How many people do you know of that actually go ahead and plant thistle seeds?? I don’t know of a single person. But thistles, when fully grown, will prick you and cause you pain and suffering.
    .
    I, on the other hand, will call them sin. Why? Because they are not a “good moral example” that I want to teach my children. This is precisely because they lead to all the sinful behaviors that have caused so much pain and suffering in this world when it comes to relationships between people. None of these sins help us to unconditionally love and respect all people like God unconditionally loves and respects all people. The world would be a much better place without these sins. So that’s the direction I want to steer both myself and my kids in. But still, none of us is perfect by any means and yes, we all sin. Daily in fact!

    Like the Apostle Paul said when he was a “mature” Christian nearing the end of his earthly life, I have to admit that I too am “the worst of sinners” in this regard. But God isn’t sending me to Hell, Instead He endlessly showers me with His unconditional forgiveness. He isn’t sending my kids to Hell either. Hell is for those who don’t want to call sin “SIN” and who love to wallow in their lives of sin and teach their children to love bringing hurt, harm, pain and suffering to other people. And it is also for those who have no issues of conscience about it, who don’t want to be forgiven for hurting other people.

    There will be sinners in both Heaven and Hell. But the sinners in heaven didn’t get there by being good. They got there because they were forgiven. Christ dangled on a cross with blood pouring out of Him, to give us the certainty of 1) our unconditional forgiveness and 2) the “free unconditional gift of eternal life”. And the sinners in Hell didn’t get there by being bad. They got there because they rejected Christ’s free unconditional forgiveness and unconditional gift of eternal life. God respects your decision to reject him. He respects your decision not to want to spend eternity with Him.

    Here are a few great quotes written by others…

    ” Sadly, too many churches have helped to perpetuate the impression that Christianity is primarily concerned with legislating morality. Believe it or not, Christianity is not about good people getting better. If anything, it is good news for bad people coping with their failure to be good. The heart of the Christian faith is Good News, not good advice, good technique, or good behavior. The heart of the Christian faith is Good News.”~

    “Progress in obedience happens when our hearts realize that God’s love for us does not depend on our progress in obedience. Martin Luther’s got a point: ‘It is not imitation that makes sons; it is sonship that makes imitators.’ The real question, then, is: What are you going to do now that you don’t have to do anything? What will your life look like lived under the banner which reads “It is finished?”

    “Christianity is not about moving away from vice to virtue. It’s about moving away from virtue to Christ” Rod Rosenbladt

    “Even he who does not believe that he is free and his sins forgiven shall also learn, in due time, how assuredly his sins were forgiven, even though he did not believe it. St. Paul says in Rom. 3: ‘[Does] their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God[?]… Many do not believe the gospel, but this does not mean that the gospel is not true or effective. A king gives you a castle. If you do not accept it, then it is not the king’s fault, nor is he guilty of a lie. But you have decieved yourself and the fault is yours. The king certainly gave it” Martin Luther (LW, vol. 40, 366-367).

    “Jesus loves the unworthy, the dirty, the broken, the failures. Jesus didn’t “fall” in love with us. He chose to love us. His love is unconditional, universal, and free. His love is not a reward for our worth. His love gives us worth.” ~Mark Jeske

  • Angie Ishere

    Not sure why my comment keeps on disappearing….

    Hi! I enjoyed reading your blog post. It put a smile on my face. Thanks for that! Sincerely! 🙂 I am a Christian mom. WELS Lutheran to be more specific.

    You have ironically pointed out the many failures (yes,.sins) of Christian moms, then you called them “goddamned animals” and then ironically condemned them to be put in a “Zoo” for eternity (well the rest of their lives at least but I am trying to make a comparison with Hell so that you will get my point). The irony is….the God you hate so much is just like YOU…see what I did there? But the God you hate so much is also not the actual God of Christianity and thank God for that or I would be an atheist too! 🙂

    The good news is that God isn’t at all like you or like you have portrayed Him to be. So while you are out there setting the “good moral example” for your children with all your swearing, hateful derogatory name calling, slandering of others, and wanting to see others put behind bars in a zoo just for being “a normal human being”, you seem to find it very unfortunate that others are out there trying to teach their children that all human beings should be loved unconditionally and cherished and treated with respect no matter what they do or how they behave because that is what the “true” God of Christianity is like.

    You are setting up arguments against all Christians and against God that simply aren’t true and are entirely based on the sum total of your complete ignorance on the matter while claiming that you are a healthy and intelligent thinker……need I say more? You don’t want to call these things sin? FINE. But a person reaps what they sow even if you think these things fall under “good morals” or “being a normal human being”. Little seeds like these, which are sown in the hearts of children, eventually take root and grow into large thistles unless pulled out of the ground. How many people do you know of that actually go ahead and plant thistle seeds?? I don’t know of a single person. But thistles, when fully grown, will prick you and cause you pain and suffering.
    .
    I, on the other hand, will call them sin. Why? Because they are not a “good moral example” that I want to teach my children. This is precisely because they lead to all the sinful behaviors that have caused so much pain and suffering in this world when it comes to relationships between people. None of these sins help us to unconditionally love and respect all people like God unconditionally loves and respects all people. The world would be a much better place without these sins. So that’s the direction I want to steer both myself and my kids in. But still, none of us is perfect by any means and yes, we all sin. Daily in fact!

    Like the Apostle Paul said when he was a “mature” Christian nearing the end of his earthly life, I have to admit that I too am “the worst of sinners” in this regard. But God isn’t sending me to Hell, Instead He endlessly showers me with His unconditional forgiveness. He isn’t sending my kids to Hell either. Hell is for those who don’t want to call sin “SIN” and who love to wallow in their lives of sin and teach their children to love bringing hurt, harm, pain and suffering to other people. And it is also for those who have no issues of conscience about it, who don’t want to be forgiven for hurting other people.

    There will be sinners in both Heaven and Hell. But the sinners in heaven didn’t get there by being good. They got there because they were forgiven. Christ dangled on a cross with blood pouring out of Him, to give us the certainty of 1) our unconditional forgiveness and 2) the “free unconditional gift of eternal life”. And the sinners in Hell didn’t get there by being bad. They got there because they rejected Christ’s free unconditional forgiveness and unconditional gift of eternal life. God respects your decision to reject him. He respects your decision not to want to spend eternity with Him.

    Here are a few great quotes written by others…

    ” Sadly, too many churches have helped to perpetuate the impression that Christianity is primarily concerned with legislating morality. Believe it or not, Christianity is not about good people getting better. If anything, it is good news for bad people coping with their failure to be good. The heart of the Christian faith is Good News, not good advice, good technique, or good behavior. The heart of the Christian faith is Good News.”~

    “Progress in obedience happens when our hearts realize that God’s love for us does not depend on our progress in obedience. Martin Luther’s got a point: ‘It is not imitation that makes sons; it is sonship that makes imitators.’ The real question, then, is: What are you going to do now that you don’t have to do anything? What will your life look like lived under the banner which reads “It is finished?”

    “Christianity is not about moving away from vice to virtue. It’s about moving away from virtue to Christ” Rod Rosenbladt

    “Even he who does not believe that he is free and his sins forgiven shall also learn, in due time, how assuredly his sins were forgiven, even though he did not believe it. St. Paul says in Rom. 3: ‘[Does] their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God[?]… Many do not believe the gospel, but this does not mean that the gospel is not true or effective. A king gives you a castle. If you do not accept it, then it is not the king’s fault, nor is he guilty of a lie. But you have decieved yourself and the fault is yours. The king certainly gave it” Martin Luther (LW, vol. 40, 366-367).

    “Jesus loves the unworthy, the dirty, the broken, the failures. Jesus didn’t “fall” in love with us. He chose to love us. His love is unconditional, universal, and free. His love is not a reward for our worth. His love gives us worth.” ~Mark Jeske

  • Angie Ishere

    Hi! I enjoyed reading your blog post. It put a smile on my face. Thanks for that! Sincerely! 🙂 I am a Christian mom. WELS Lutheran to be more specific.

    You have ironically pointed out the many failures (yes,.sins) of Christian moms, then you called them “goddamned animals” and then ironically condemned them to be put in a “Zoo” for eternity (well the rest of their lives at least but I am trying to make a comparison with Hell so that you will get my point). The irony is….the God you hate so much is just like YOU…see what I did there? But the God you hate so much is also not the actual God of Christianity and thank God for that or I would be an atheist too! 🙂

    The good news is that God isn’t at all like you or like you have portrayed Him to be. So while you are out there setting the “good moral example” for your children with all your swearing, hateful derogatory name calling, slandering of others, and wanting to see others put behind bars in a zoo just for being “a normal human being”, you seem to find it very unfortunate that others are out there trying to teach their children that all human beings should be loved unconditionally and cherished and treated with respect no matter what they do or how they behave because that is what the “true” God of Christianity is like.

    You are setting up arguments against all Christians and against God that simply aren’t true and are entirely based on the sum total of your complete ignorance on the matter while claiming that you are a healthy and intelligent thinker……need I say more? You don’t want to call these things sin? FINE. But a person reaps what they sow even if you think these things fall under “good morals” or “being a normal human being”. Little seeds like these, which are sown in the hearts of children, eventually take root and grow into large thistles unless pulled out of the ground. How many people do you know of that actually go ahead and plant thistle seeds?? I don’t know of a single person. But thistles, when fully grown, will prick you and cause you pain and suffering.
    .
    I, on the other hand, will call them sin. Why? Because they are not a “good moral example” that I want to teach my children. This is precisely because they lead to all the sinful behaviors that have caused so much pain and suffering in this world when it comes to relationships between people. None of these sins help us to unconditionally love and respect all people like God unconditionally loves and respects all people. The world would be a much better place without these sins. So that’s the direction I want to steer both myself and my kids in. But still, none of us is perfect by any means and yes, we all sin. Daily in fact!

    Like the Apostle Paul said when he was a “mature” Christian nearing the end of his earthly life, I have to admit that I too am “the worst of sinners” in this regard. But God isn’t sending me to Hell, Instead He endlessly showers me with His unconditional forgiveness. He isn’t sending my kids to Hell either. Hell is for those who don’t want to call sin “SIN” and who love to wallow in their lives of sin and teach their children to love bringing hurt, harm, pain and suffering to other people. And it is also for those who have no issues of conscience about it, who don’t want to be forgiven for hurting other people.

    There will be sinners in both Heaven and Hell. But the sinners in heaven didn’t get there by being good. They got there because they were forgiven. Christ dangled on a cross with blood pouring out of Him, to give us the certainty of 1) our unconditional forgiveness and 2) the “free unconditional gift of eternal life”. And the sinners in Hell didn’t get there by being bad. They got there because they rejected Christ’s free unconditional forgiveness and unconditional gift of eternal life. God respects your decision to reject him. He respects your decision not to want to spend eternity with Him.

    Here are a few great quotes written by others…

    ” Sadly, too many churches have helped to perpetuate the impression that Christianity is primarily concerned with legislating morality. Believe it or not, Christianity is not about good people getting better. If anything, it is good news for bad people coping with their failure to be good. The heart of the Christian faith is Good News, not good advice, good technique, or good behavior. The heart of the Christian faith is Good News.”~
    “Progress in obedience happens when our hearts realize that God’s love for us does not depend on our progress in obedience. Martin Luther’s got a point: ‘It is not imitation that makes sons; it is sonship that makes imitators.’

    The real question, then, is: What are you going to do now that you don’t have to do anything? What will your life look like lived under the banner which reads “It is finished?”

    “Christianity is not about moving away from vice to virtue. It’s about moving away from virtue to Christ” Rod Rosenbladt

    “Even he who does not believe that he is free and his sins forgiven shall also learn, in due time, how assuredly his sins were forgiven, even though he did not believe it. St. Paul says in Rom. 3: ‘[Does] their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God[?]… Many do not believe the gospel, but this does not mean that the gospel is not true or effective. A king gives you a castle. If you do not accept it, then it is not the king’s fault, nor is he guilty of a lie. But you have deceived yourself and the fault is yours. The king certainly gave it” Martin Luther (LW, vol. 40, 366-367).

    “Jesus loves the unworthy, the dirty, the broken, the failures. Jesus didn’t “fall” in love with us. He chose to love us. His love is unconditional, universal, and free. His love is not a reward for our worth. His love gives us worth.” ~Mark Jeske

  • Angie Ishere

    Hello, You just posted a meme on Facebook that says: “Your religious beliefs are not immune to criticism”.
    I agree with you 100%! Bring on the criticism! It is vitally important if anyone is going to make any progress in “healthy and intelligent thinking” whether it be the believer or the atheist. But Is atheism immune to criticism? If it is, that would be intellectual suicide on your part. I have posted my thoughts a few times on this blog post and they keep disappearing. Show me that you have some integrity and that you stand behind your own standards (or in this case your meme) by letting my criticism appear on your blog. Thank you.

  • Angie Ishere

    Hi! I enjoyed reading your blog post. It put a smile on my face. Thanks for that! Sincerely! 🙂 I am a Christian mom. WELS Lutheran to be more specific.

    You have ironically pointed out the many failures (yes,.sins) of Christian moms, then you called them “goddamned animals” and then ironically condemned them to be put in a “Zoo” for eternity (well the rest of their lives at least but I am trying to make a comparison with Hell so that you will get my point). The irony is….the God you hate so much is just like YOU…see what I did there? But the God you hate so much is also not the actual God of Christianity and thank God for that or I would be an atheist too! 🙂

    The good news is that God isn’t at all like you or like you have portrayed Him to be. So while you are out there setting the “good moral example” for your children with all your swearing, hateful derogatory name calling, slandering of others, and wanting to see others put behind bars in a zoo just for being “a normal human being”, you seem to find it very unfortunate that others are out there trying to teach their children that all human beings should be loved unconditionally and cherished and treated with respect no matter what they do or how they behave because that is what the “true” God of Christianity is like.

    You are setting up arguments against all Christians and against God that simply aren’t true and are entirely based on the sum total of your complete ignorance on the matter while claiming that you are a healthy and intelligent thinker……need I say more? You don’t want to call these things sin? FINE. But a person reaps what they sow even if you think these things fall under “good morals” or “being a normal human being”. Little seeds like these, which are sown in the hearts of children, eventually take root and grow into large thistles unless pulled out of the ground. How many people do you know of that actually go ahead and plant thistle seeds?? I don’t know of a single person. But thistles, when fully grown, will prick you and cause you pain and suffering.
    .
    I, on the other hand, will call them sin. Why? Because they are not a “good moral example” that I want to teach my children. This is precisely because they lead to all the sinful behaviors that have caused so much pain and suffering in this world when it comes to relationships between people. None of these sins help us to unconditionally love and respect all people like God unconditionally loves and respects all people. The world would be a much better place without these sins. So that’s the direction I want to steer both myself and my kids in. But still, none of us is perfect by any means and yes, we all sin. Daily in fact!

    Like the Apostle Paul said when he was a “mature” Christian nearing the end of his earthly life, I have to admit that I too am “the worst of sinners” in this regard. But God isn’t sending me to Hell, Instead He endlessly showers me with His unconditional forgiveness. He isn’t sending my kids to Hell either. Hell is for those who don’t want to call sin “SIN” and who love to wallow in their lives of sin and teach their children to love bringing hurt, harm, pain and suffering to other people. And it is also for those who have no issues of conscience about it, who don’t want to be forgiven for hurting other people.

    There will be sinners in both Heaven and Hell. But the sinners in heaven didn’t get there by being good. They got there because they were forgiven. Christ dangled on a cross with blood pouring out of Him, to give us the certainty of 1) our unconditional forgiveness and 2) the “free unconditional gift of eternal life”. And the sinners in Hell didn’t get there by being bad. They got there because they rejected Christ’s free unconditional forgiveness and unconditional gift of eternal life. God respects your decision to reject him. He respects your decision not to want to spend eternity with Him.
    Here are a few great quotes written by others…
    ” Sadly, too many churches have helped to perpetuate the impression that Christianity is primarily concerned with legislating morality. Believe it or not, Christianity is not about good people getting better. If anything, it is good news for bad people coping with their failure to be good. The heart of the Christian faith is Good News, not good advice, good technique, or good behavior. The heart of the Christian faith is Good News.”~
    “Progress in obedience happens when our hearts realize that God’s love for us does not depend on our progress in obedience. Martin Luther’s got a point: ‘It is not imitation that makes sons; it is sonship that makes imitators.’
    The real question, then, is: What are you going to do now that you don’t have to do anything? What will your life look like lived under the banner which reads “It is finished?”
    “Christianity is not about moving away from vice to virtue. It’s about moving away from virtue to Christ” Rod Rosenbladt
    “Even he who does not believe that he is free and his sins forgiven shall also learn, in due time, how assuredly his sins were forgiven, even though he did not believe it. St. Paul says in Rom. 3: ‘[Does] their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God[?]… Many do not believe the gospel, but this does not mean that the gospel is not true or effective. A king gives you a castle. If you do not accept it, then it is not the king’s fault, nor is he guilty of a lie. But you have decieved yourself and the fault is yours. The king certainly gave it” Martin Luther (LW, vol. 40, 366-367).
    “Jesus loves the unworthy, the dirty, the broken, the failures. Jesus didn’t “fall” in love with us. He chose to love us. His love is unconditional, universal, and free. His love is not a reward for our worth. His love gives us worth.” ~Mark Jeske

  • Angie Ishere

    Hello, You just posted a meme on Facebook that says: “Your religious beliefs are not immune to criticism”.
    I agree with you 100%! Bring on the criticism! It is vitally important if anyone is going to make any progress in “healthy and intelligent thinking” whether it be the believer or the atheist. But Is atheism immune to criticism? If it is, that would be intellectual suicide on your part. I have posted my thoughts a few times on this blog post and they keep disappearing. Show me that you have some integrity and that you stand behind your own standards (or in this case your meme) by letting my criticism appear on your blog. Thank you.

  • Angie Ishere

    Are you going to write a blog post on what I wrote?…. Because it keeps mysteriously disappearing from your blog. 🙂 Let me know. It would be helpful. 🙂

  • Angie Ishere

    Hi! I enjoyed reading your blog post. It put a smile on my face. Thanks for that! Sincerely! 🙂 I am a Christian mom. WELS Lutheran to be more specific.

    You have ironically pointed out the many failures (yes,.sins) of Christian moms, then you called them “goddamned animals” and then ironically condemned them to be put in a “Zoo” for eternity (well the rest of their lives at least but I am trying to make a comparison with Hell so that you will get my point). The irony is….the God you hate so much is just like YOU…see what I did there? But the God you hate so much is also not the actual God of Christianity and thank God for that or I would be an atheist too! 🙂

    The good news is that God isn’t at all like you or like you have portrayed Him to be. So while you are out there setting the “good moral example” for your children with all your swearing, hateful derogatory name calling, slandering of others, and wanting to see others put behind bars in a zoo just for being “a normal human being”, you seem to find it very unfortunate that others are out there trying to teach their children that all human beings should be loved unconditionally and cherished and treated with respect no matter what they do or how they behave because that is what the “true” God of Christianity is like.

    You are setting up arguments against all Christians and against God that simply aren’t true and are entirely based on the sum total of your complete ignorance on the matter while claiming that you are a healthy and intelligent thinker……need I say more? You don’t want to call these things sin? FINE. But a person reaps what they sow even if you think these things fall under “good morals” or “being a normal human being”. Little seeds like these, which are sown in the hearts of children, eventually take root and grow into large thistles unless pulled out of the ground. How many people do you know of that actually go ahead and plant thistle seeds?? I don’t know of a single person. But thistles, when fully grown, will prick you and cause you pain and suffering.
    .
    I, on the other hand, will call them sin. Why? Because they are not a “good moral example” that I want to teach my children. This is precisely because they lead to all the sinful behaviors that have caused so much pain and suffering in this world when it comes to relationships between people. None of these sins help us to unconditionally love and respect all people like God unconditionally loves and respects all people. The world would be a much better place without these sins. So that’s the direction I want to steer both myself and my kids in. But still, none of us is perfect by any means and yes, we all sin. Daily in fact!

    Like the Apostle Paul said when he was a “mature” Christian nearing the end of his earthly life, I have to admit that I too am “the worst of sinners” in this regard. But God isn’t sending me to Hell, Instead He endlessly showers me with His unconditional forgiveness. He isn’t sending my kids to Hell either. Hell is for those who don’t want to call sin “SIN” and who love to wallow in their lives of sin and teach their children to love bringing hurt, harm, pain and suffering to other people. And it is also for those who have no issues of conscience about it, who don’t want to be forgiven for hurting other people.

    There will be sinners in both Heaven and Hell. But the sinners in heaven didn’t get there by being good. They got there because they were forgiven. Christ dangled on a cross with blood pouring out of Him, to give us the certainty of 1) our unconditional forgiveness and 2) the “free unconditional gift of eternal life”. And the sinners in Hell didn’t get there by being bad. They got there because they rejected Christ’s free unconditional forgiveness and unconditional gift of eternal life. God respects your decision to reject him. He respects your decision not to want to spend eternity with Him.

    Here are a few great quotes written by others…

    ” Sadly, too many churches have helped to perpetuate the impression that Christianity is primarily concerned with legislating morality. Believe it or not, Christianity is not about good people getting better. If anything, it is good news for bad people coping with their failure to be good. The heart of the Christian faith is Good News, not good advice, good technique, or good behavior. The heart of the Christian faith is Good News.”~

    “Progress in obedience happens when our hearts realize that God’s love for us does not depend on our progress in obedience. Martin Luther’s got a point: ‘It is not imitation that makes sons; it is sonship that makes imitators.’

    The real question, then, is: What are you going to do now that you don’t have to do anything? What will your life look like lived under the banner which reads “It is finished?”

    “Christianity is not about moving away from vice to virtue. It’s about moving away from virtue to Christ” Rod Rosenbladt

    “Even he who does not believe that he is free and his sins forgiven shall also learn, in due time, how assuredly his sins were forgiven, even though he did not believe it. St. Paul says in Rom. 3: ‘[Does] their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God[?]… Many do not believe the gospel, but this does not mean that the gospel is not true or effective. A king gives you a castle. If you do not accept it, then it is not the king’s fault, nor is he guilty of a lie. But you have deceived yourself and the fault is yours. The king certainly gave it” Martin Luther (LW, vol. 40, 366-367).

    “Jesus loves the unworthy, the dirty, the broken, the failures. Jesus didn’t “fall” in love with us. He chose to love us. His love is unconditional, universal, and free. His love is not a reward for our worth. His love gives us worth.” ~Mark Jeske